You're in Shepherd's Seat. Who do you want? Not O'Neill I Hope!
Posted by Kev in Newcastle, Newcastle | 16 March 2006
Well, it seems to be that there is mixed feeling over Martin O'Neill but still, I'm not bowled over with the former Leicester & Celtic manager. This is why....
A) Boring Football
B) Players like Petrov aren't good enough to get in our first team, I mean who would you have Emre or Petrov? and I fear he'd bring the 'AVERAGE' Celtic players in, and take out the European Class players, such as your Emre's, Parker's, Solano's etc.
C) Life-long Mackems fan in charge - that alone should be a 'no-no'!
D) Hasn't Proved it in England (at high level) or Europe (I hear you saying UEFA Cup FInal, but although they did tremendous to get where they did, they didn't win it, which would prove to be the story again here, as it has done for decades!)
E) You compare the kind of managers we would want to be attracting e.g Hitzfield and you compare O'Neill's record to him - No comparison whatsoever
So you are in Freddy Shepherd's seat, who do you swoop for and why?
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You have to having a laugh eh?
You don't have one player outside of Nobby Salano and Shay Given who would be a fit in the current Celtic side.
Graeme Souness made you a laughing stock and when he left, the laughter didn't go away. Your best player outside of those two is a geriatric.
As a writer for Real Life News I have to keep it nice - but the standard of Scottish Football is so poor that Birmingham City would challenge for the title! e.g Boumsong below-par premiership cb was considered the best in Scotland. And only Given and Solano could get in the Celtic team? What about Taylor, Ramage, Carr, BOUMSONG, Emre, Parker, N'Zogbia and Michael Owen? Sorry pal, but you don't watch football regularly if you think players like Neil Lennon, Paul Telfer, Mo Camara, John Hartson could keep our players out!
Sorry mate, Boumsong is some dodgy deal between Souness and David Murray of Rangers. Say what you like about O'Neill, he did more with Celtic than Newcastle can dream of. It's not just the UEFA final, he broke every record in the SPL and created a team that put Barcelona out of Europe, beating them in the Nou Camp.
who said Boumsong was considered the best in scotland?? Souness?? HA HA, that'd be right.
Emre over Petrov? you really are deluded.
It doesn't matter what players would fit in what team - Celtic would easily dispose of Newcastle.
Great support and history but Newcastle at the moment are distictly average.
I'm sorry to say but you haven't a clue what your talking about sir. How many times have you seen Celtic play during his tenure. Probably about as many times as I have seen Newcastle, which ain't a lot. Also the Sunderland supporter reference is a bit blinkered don't you think.
Under Marin O'Neil Celtic played some of their best football in years & restored the credibility of the club in Europe. Celtic were incredibly unlucky to lose the UEFA cup final & the team that beat them went onto to win the Champions league the following season. We also had some great results in the the Champions league e.g. Juventus, Lyon, Barcelona etc & all the while receiving about a 20th in TV money that the likes of your team receive.
Not sure where this boring football comes from maybe from his time at Leicester where he had limited players but with talent available he is a great manager & motivator.
And by the way Emre, Solano, Parker etc couldn't lace Petrovs boots, he is truly European Class. No doubt you have seen him play as many time as you saw Celtic under O'Neil. And don't worry, there are plenty of well above average players at Celtic but why you think they would swith to NUFC from Celtic would I think be optimistic in the extreme
Same old stuff coming from the South about the SPL. Yes the standard is poor & thats why Celtic are streets ahead every season.
Last time Celtic met teams from the best league in the world in a competive arena they won 3 & drew 1 out of 4, oh & Michael Owen played for one of them.
And Nobody in Scotland except Rangers thought that Boumsong was up to much & you lot were daft enough to pay 8 million for him. I still think that was Souness helping Rangers out with their debt problems.
Kev,
Take away TV revenue and Newcastle United and 95% of EPL clubs would disappear into oblivion. Really looking forward to the day when the TV revenue bubble bursts- you'll be playing in a backwater league- the likes of Celtic , Rangers, Man U , Arsenal will be playing in a European league which you won't be able to get into. Finally why would O'Neill join Newcastle ? Bit of a step down after managing a club like Celtic.
As a Celtic supporter I can't disagree with your breakdown of the Scottish League and certainly the general standard of players on show, but remember this, Martin O'Neill had a pittance to spend by comparison to what Souness, Dalglish and Keegan individually wasted on Newcastle, so if spending money wisely and building a talented team rather than buying talented individuals that look average in a team makes him a bad manager in your eyes, then you don't watch enough football either my friend. At the end of the day you don't get to any European Final without a good team, and some talent, no matter what League you play in. I'll leave you with this thought... Our league is to you, what your league is to the Spanish.
Players like Petrov!...Not good enough?...Don't make me laugh mate...You obviously don't know a thing about football Pal. The Bulgarian captain at 22 years old is worth two Parkers, Emre? a mercenary a milking the cash cow premiership, why else would he chose to live on Tyneside for gods sake. You've thrown hundreds of millions at your club over the past decade or so and what ye got for it? Nothing. Ever ask yourself why? Your leagues the 3rd best in Europe (giving you the benefit of the doubt over France here), yet you bang on about yourselves like your some footballing super power. Whoever heard of Newcastle outside Engerlund, I ask you? Martin O'neill won't touch your club with a barge pole, far too shrewd a man.
your comments about petrov are laughable and comparing him to emre is a joke. petrov is a dynamic midfield general, he has the talents of parker and emre combined. As for the rest of your team? the fact you haven't won anything after spending so much on 'quality' players is shocking.
As a Celtic fan living in England I guess I've seen more of Newcastle than you have of Celtic and believe me if Lee Bowyer can get in your team, Stan the Man definitely can! Celtic are a team in transition at the moment and we'll see how many games Telfer and Mo Camara get next season (incidentally neither of whom were bought by Martin O'Neill). And who said that Boumsong was the best defender in Scotland!? Sorry mate you fell for that line from Souness or the Rangers biased Scottish media! In defense of Martin O'Neill he's won more trophies in England with Leicester than Newcastle have in how many years?! But Newcastle are somehow this massive club who could attract Hitzfield!? Yes, O'Neill's record doesn't compare to his but not many managers' do! Certainly none that would seriously consider going to Newcastle. I think you glossed over the UEFA Cup quite well by the way! Yes we lost in the final but just to emphasise, O'Neill took a team with nowhere near the spending capacity of most of the teams met along the way to a European final, losing in extra time to Porto who subsequently, with the same players, won the Champions League the following season. Given some financial backing which I think he could expect from Newcastle (you're not scared to splash the cash), O'Neill would be a success at St James'. If you don't think so just ask the fans of every club he's managed or maybe the FA!
You are having a laugh, MON's Celtic side and the current Celtic side would wipe the floor with Newcastle. Remember what they did to Blackburn and Liverpool a couple of years ago. Petrov is a class act and would fit in to ANY side in the premiership and would be Newcastles best player buy some distance. Show's how little you know about the Scottish game, yes it's of a poorer standard, but Celtic are way above that standard. Telfer and Camera are not Celtic Standard but are stop gaps for one season. Camera does not play. As for MON, you should be privileged to have him, he is way better than you can hope to get OR have had. I agree with you that sometimes can play boring football but he's a winner and will make your players winners. If you want exciting football bring back Kevin Keegan.
You make some interesting points Kev, but remember that MON's so called "AVERAGE" Celtic players played and defeated the likes of Barcelona, Ajax, Juventus,and Liverpool.
It seems you place greater emphasis on playing in a an English league where the best team was recently taught a football lesson by Barcelona.
One point you neglected to mention was MON's experience in managing a huge club. Remember that the 60,000 fans at home games, including 50,000 season ticket holders are only a tiny fraction of Celtic world wide Support. Whereas with Newcastle, the undoubtedly great support is mostly confined to Newcastle.
Best of luck to Newcastle, a club greatly admired by many Celts,but remember Celtic is a world wide institution. Just ask Shay Given!
Thought as much... like everyone else that slags off something they know nothing about, you don't print sensible replies because your argument is poorly thought out. Typical English though, just what we expect, no knowledge big gob.
Fair enough, the standard of Scottish football is not as good as in England, but once again a follower of "the best league in the world" (behind Serie A and La Liga) has shown that they don't actually ever see Scottish football. (I know that for a fact as we Scots don't see much of it either.)
Not only is the SPL a more exciting spectacle than the boring boring EPL, ableit at a lower standard, it is of a higher standard than you make out, and Birmingham would do quite well, but wouldn't get near the title.
A major bone of contention here. Petrov would easily fit into your team when you consider that he is actually a better box to box midfielder than Parker, who would be worth less than Petrov if he didn't play in the second most over price inflated league on the planet.
I agree that you have a better team and a better league, but it amuses me that you can dismiss Martin O'Neill's achievments like this. Martin O'Neill didn't have mega bucks to spend - no Scottish club has, yet he managed to make a Celtic side that fared respectably in Europe out of that. Newcastle spend millions every year yet make no progress abroad or on the domestic front.
I don't even know if NUFC have been in a European final to be honest, so why have a dig at O'Neill when he took a team of "AVERAGE Celtic players" to a Euro final?
You should know more about your subject before writing about it mate, the article is ridiculous!
Your just saying that because MON wouldnt touch
a 'going no-where' club like Newcastle with a barge.
Have Newcastle ever won any
trophies?
The English wil never learn...they can be so arrogant when it comes to their 'best league in the world' stuff. Your best just got beat off barca, which reminds me of when Celtic beat and kept a clean sheet against them for 120mins. U did great downplaying the trip to the uefa cup final, they beat Souness' blackburn and Liverpool on the way but that was well glossed over. Emre over Petrov? thats why...Lothar Matthias claims that Petrov should replace Ballack at Bayern- O'Neill for a while there was being touted as replacement for Sir Alex or to take the England job but he isn't good enough to take over newcastle?! Newcastle should call a city wide holiday and rejoice if he took the job.
You would be surprised to know that Celtic are a MUCH bigger team than Newcastle will ever be.
no probs.
you don't deserve him.
neither do the FA.
and when the dust settles and you hit the fan... he'll be welcome home in paradise.
Why not go to the Newsnow Celtic site today and then argue that Lothar Matthaus knows less about football than you... Open your mind, stop being an English stereotype. Last time I looked, Bayern Munich were a slightly larger, more successful Club than yours, in a League at least equal to the Premiership. ps: why no "crap league" arguments against all the sensible replies you've received.
Emre over Petrov Hahahahahaha
You've made my weekend mate.
Boumsong was the best player in Scotland...according to your former manager.
And on that note was he not the 4th or 5th choice for your esteemed club, but all the other nobodies turned it down. Hitzfield? Yeah right
Martin O'Neill is looking for a job with a big team looking to challenge for trophies so I wouldn't imagine that he'll be anywhere near St James Park. He could always go back to Leicester where he's won more silverware than Newcastle have in the last 25 years.
Bayern need Petrov, says Matthaus
This seems a pretty irrelevant arguement. Petrov for Emre? Just because a manager comes to a new club he desn't bring the players with him. I'm pretty sure if O'Neill could of, he'd have attracted better players to Celtic, but thats what makes him such a good manager, he does the best with what he's got. Its not as if he's going to take over the Toon and bring in the whole Celtic midfield. He'll have more money to spend and therefore get in the better players. He hasn't been this successful by bringing in crap players. He's done so well by getting the BEST out of players, his man-management is 2nd to none. Therefore making Petrov look decent. What you should be thinking about if we do get him is how much better could he make Emre? Probably alot. Think about Bramble, he could finally turn him into the defender he should be, he made Matt Elliot at Leicester look the dogs boll**ks. How much potential do we have in our team that he could unleash. Hitzfeld and Hiddink are great managers but personally i don't want to risk it all on a CV. They have no experience of the english league, we're not in Europe so their experience won't come in handy there. I understand there are pro's and cons for each view, and would take either of them as manager, but in my mind i feel O'Neill would benefit us much more.
was that a joke? Martin O Neill hasnt proved it in europe because he lost in the final, what a lot of pish, you would be lucky to have him as a manager.
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